“If you call someone a monster enough, sooner or later they’ll begin to believe it despite being the farthest thing from it. If you’re not careful, some of the “monsters” you so carelessly made may begin to act monstrously and the fault will lie partly with you. And the rest of us you carelessly made believe in our nonexistent monstrosity? The many of us? Will just suffer in silence because beliefs are damn hard to change.“
#1. If you act like a monster because people are calling you one, you’ve only proven them right.
For those who are hesitant to click that link, an anti shipper was venting his frustration over how easily his 11-year-old sister could access pornographic Voltron fan art on Tumblr. He never harassed her or did anything to hurt her.
The fact that Claude uncritically reblogged a post citing this as an example of harassment proves he knows nothing about actual harassment. It also indicates he’s okay with minors viewing pornographic content, which is really disturbing in light of how he fetishizes them in hisartwork (Porn/gore warning).
Edit: I should probably add that the person being falsely accused of sexual harassment is only 16.
Yeah, I’m aware of the drama with the kin blog. I was going to address this sooner, but K. M. Claude thinks the owner is doing it out of spite or for attention. I was concerned that if I got involved, it would only reinforce these beliefs and Claude would continue to bully the person who ran it.
Since things have calmed down, I’ll list the reasons why Claude’s response was ableist.
According to K. M. Claude:
Fictionkin are ‘appropriating the language of mental health’, even though many kin are mentally ill and use it as a coping mechanism.
Also, making fun of somebody for the way they cope is ableist.
Content warnings for explicit pedophilia, sexual depictions of children, child abuse, rape, sexual abuse, blood, gore, necrophilia, and incest, as well as harassment, bullying, self-harm, victim-shaming/survivor-shaming, transphobia, transmisogyny, dyadism¹ᵃ/perisexism¹ᵇ, and misgendering.
why do people still need to point this out to others?
No one has to point out that abuse isn’t good. I’m pretty sure we’re all aware of that.
However, pedophilia may be morally bad, but it’s a mental illness. Saying that pedophilic disorder is gross is the same as saying bipolar disorder is gross. It’s not gross, it’s misunderstood and stigmatized.
how can you shamelessly compare pedophilia to bipolar disorder? pedophiles abuse children and traumatize them? what the fuck, its not misunderstood the slightest.
You do know that there are non-offending pedophiles, don’t you? Child molesters are what you’re referring to.
And yes, I do shamelessly compare the two. Both are mental disorders, whether you like that fact or not. That in itself is something most people don’t know, making pedophilia stigmatized and misunderstood to the point of people with the disorder not being able to reach out for help without risking having their children taken from them.
theres no such thing as “non-offending” pedophiles. pedophilia is not a mental disorder and never will be, it cannot be diagnosed. pedophiles wants to hurt children in their own twisted way, bipolar people are just bipolar people. so stop lying to yourself.
Actually, if you refer to the DSM-V, pedophilic disorder is, in fact, a real thing. And, yes, there are non-offending pedophiles, whether you believe it or not. Just like there are non-offending people with compulsive violent urges. It’s not a hard concept to grasp.
for @remiflan-is-dead (the reply to whose question i’ll get to in a bit). if you want to learn more about pedophilia/pedophilic disorder and how to treat it, i had a really lovely conversation with the now de-funct anti-stevidot about the subject straight from the DSM-V, ICD-10, and my own college level texts on abnormal psychology from 2011 (so sadly it was working with the DSM-IV but treatments are still just about the same and pedophilia’s been listed as a mental disorder/illness for years, at least since the DSM-IV if not earlier.)
tl;dr it’s a mental illness like any other mental illness. child molestation/abuse/rape on the other hand is a different matter entirely (and often NOT perpetrated by people with pedophilic disorder.)
why do you think its okay for an adult to be sexually/romantically attracted to children, and then pull the victim card by claiming its a disorder? why do you want to protect adults who get turned on by children and have creepy crushes on minors? why arent you defending the kids, the babies and the t(w)eens who are being targeted by pedos? if an adult have sexual business with a child they ARE a pedophile, yikes.
I’m not claiming it’s a disorder – it literally is. Sexual attraction to prepubescents is literally a mental disorder. That’s not pulling a victim card, that’s stating a fact. You can literally look it up. Or you know the image I sent you and the link I gave you which has everything written up and linked up for you.
People need to stop conflating pedophiles with child molesters as if they are automatically the same thing so that people who have not touched a child can get the clinical help they need to cope with and control their issues. Getting people help and not stigmatizing their mental illness is what defends and helps reduce the number of kids targeted or hurt.
It’s the same as someone who has violent urges (think, for instance, people with OCD who have intrusive obsessive thoughts to murder their family) – you wouldn’t conflate their distressing desires or thoughts to hurt others with actual murderers, would you? No because they have a MENTAL ILLNESS which is not a crime. Acting on said illness is a crime. You want to help the mentally ill, thereby protecting the ill person AND anyone who may be hurt by said ill person, by not stigmatizing them and getting them help. Sadly, in the U.S., it’s nigh impossible for people with pedophilic disorder to seek help because if therapists even think a child may possibly be in danger, they have to report them (even if NO ONE is in danger) or else the therapist could go to jail (this is called mandated reporting laws and there’s a lot of issues with them.)
If an adult does something sexual with a child, that makes them a child molester, child rapist, or child abuser. Actions do not necessarily dictate one’s mental disorders. I could stab my dog right now just because I can without a single violent thought or history of mental illness that lends itself to violent behavior; likewise someone who hears voices telling them to stab their dog may never act upon it despite having the intrusive thoughts. Same with child abusers and people with pedophilic disorder.
If you’d like I can literally open up a clinical abnormal psychology textbook, used to teach psychology undergraduates about psychological disorders and illnesses, and quote you the information on pedophilia and how it is a mental disorder and has been considered as such for YEARS by actual professionals who study this shit literally know more than you or I do.
you literally just said literally 3 times in the same paragraph
pedophiles are Literally illegal and can end up in jail bye, im sick of both of you condoning and forgiving the adults who have touched me and used me
protect minors instead of their enemies (ahem, pedos and abusers)
Because it is literallytrue. In a literal manner or sense, it is true. It is exactly true. But I mean you’ve taken to insulting my words when they’re used correctly(something you seem incapable of doing yourself) so I take it you’ve not any proof to stand on.
Nope, sorry. It’s not illegal to have a mental illness. Otherwise I’d be in jail for my mental illnesses. My friends who are bipolar would also be in jail. My depressed friends, jail. The friends with BPD? Jail. But they’re not. Because mental illnesses are not illegal. Stop stigmatizing mental illnesses because they don’t all fit into whatever too cute ideal you have of mental illness. Shit, to say mental illness is illegal is, as they say, rather ableist, especially with the implication that one with a mental illness will act upon that illness and automatically hurt others.
No one’s forgiving or condoning adults touching or raping kids. Those people are criminals who could be convicted of the illegal action that is called child abuse. Pedophilia or pedophilic disorder (as the DSM-V now refers to it) is not a crime. You cannot be put to jail for disorderly thoughts, especially not those brought on by mental illness.
I’m sick of you stigmatizing mental illness and being willfully ignorant, and I’m sick in general of people like you actually playing the victim card by shoving your personal trauma in as if that somehow negates the fact that what you’re saying is wrong and harmful to the mentally ill and to CSA survivors.
Example of K. M. Claude bullying someone for being disgusted by pedophilia.
This is a picture of the hanging and burning of Girolamo Savonarola in Florence.
He tried to tell the people how to make art, what kind of art to make, generally policing their art. The people fucking killed him. In history they’re super proud of this and even have a commemoration of this, as a way to say “LISTEN UP MOTHERFUCKERS: THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TELL US HOW TO MAKE ART”
Take note, antis
You do realize that the hanging and burning of Girolamo Savonarola wasn’t because he was policing art but because he was condemned as a heretic after claiming to perform miracles and getting visions from a higher power?
He was a supporter of sacred art, since, y’know, he was a friar.
“‘It was not Art itself which he condemned, but its desecration, the introduction of earthly and even immodest sentiments and dress into sacred pictures. On the contrary, pious and genuinely religious art would have been an efficacious support in building up that ideal State which he dreamt of, and for a while even made a reality.’ Again and again Savonarola explains what he finds fault with in contemporary Art, and what he desires to put in place of it. For him edification is the main object of Art; he will tolerate none which does not tend to the service of religion.“ –Ludwig von Pastor, History of the Popes
He was trying to make the church look good. Not exactly a good way of doing it, but not a reason to hang someone (AND NOT THE REASON THEY HANGED HIM).
This guy was an asshole, and it’s not because he only wanted sacred art.
He didn’t accept bribes from the Pope at the time, so he was excommunicated and arrested, then put through a trial by fire.
Just because you paint a picture of it, doesn’t mean it’s celebrated. There’s plenty of paintings depicting horrible things. They aren’t celebrating his death (In fact, there’s been talk of beatifying Girolamo), they’re just depicting it.
So please, feel free to do a little more in your vague insult to antis other than “well, this guy hated art, and he was executed, therefore I can make a veiled threat against those who don’t like looking at child porn!”
You can defend yourself, that much Is clear…but I just had my own two cents to throw in because I’m having fun watching them “try” to call you out. @kmclaude
While I appreciate the intent and am glad you’re respectful, I’d much rather people NOT do this. Frankly it ain’t worth it. And I’d rather folks not waste their time for whatever personal reasons they may have. I know it can be frustrating seeing someone whose work you like get attacked but you know the old saying: don’t feed the trolls. It’s like fussing at Westboro Baptist Church – you’re gonna get madder and madder and they’re gonna feel justified in the hate they spew.
Do something creative instead! You’re doing some interesting and lovely art with your makeup, I think that’s a much better use of your time and adds beauty to the world!
Wow, you must have a pretty thin skin if you think people telling you not to sexualize children and promote disgusting shit like necrophilia are in the same league as the Westboro Baptist Church (You know, the people who picket soldiers’ funerals and believe God hates gay people?).
While I have already in the past apologized for my vitriolic reactions and also discussed with a former mod of said antiship blog who even apologized for the blog’s behavior towards me and other artists long after both parties decided to ignore the other and let be, I stand by what I’ve said before and I’ll say it one final time: if you click on a link on a blog (not fanmailed to you, not submitted, not messaged) after being told implicitly and explicitly by the contents of a post on an NSFW/adult blog what the link goes to (so not a screamer innocuously placed, not a goatse themed rickroll) and click it anyway that’s your poor decision making or reading abilities at work. That or you want to be outraged.
Now, considering that was the past and all I do now is make art, yeah, I’m pretty secure in saying that I am doing nothing wrong, to use your present tense.
But now I truly get that post sixpenceee made about why she doesn’t bother apologizing or even reasoning with her haters any more – it’s obvious that folks don’t care, they really do just want their Two Minutes Hate.
Shoot, guys: Orwell was right.
Claude defends tricking a minor into viewing some of their gory artwork.
Sunny and I talkin’ and my response to her “shake ur fist at them angry priest” was “fuck the children” and I realized that’s basically my general attitude: man, fuck this new wave of bratty children and childish individuals (‘cause remember – being a snot-nosed brat isn’t dependent on age) who think they can play moral guardian and puritanical fandom police and hide behind cries of “weh I’m a minor so I’m not responsible for my actions” (even though yes, actually, you are) and “think of the childreeeeeeen” (even though the youngest age for any site with fandom shit is 13 as in not a child, a teenager who either needs to surf responsibly or get mommy and daddy to monitor their access.)
You want a safe space? Make your own. There are tools out there for you to tailor your browsing experience. But do not think you can impose your space onto the community – especially fandom which has ALWAYS skewed older as in NOT FOR KIDS and those with childlike sensibilities – as a whole.
Earlier I saw a post that called this the Dolores Umbridge Paradox: “the people who’re obsessed with sick, gross, dark humour tend to be the biggest sweethearts in real life. The people who only want to see cute, innocent characters getting up to cute, innocent stuff usually turn out to be the nastiest, most vindictive shitheads.”
Well y’know what, fuck it. Fuck the children. Fuck Umbridge, fuck the alarmingly prevalent puritanical moral guardian mindset, and fuck you if you support this damning “think of the childreeeeeeen” mindset. Your rights end where mine begin.
“keep your hate out of the tags!!!!!!!!!”
tags this post in the anti tags
Hey, it’s that asshole who draws pedophilic art and harasses minors. It’s about to they showed up to remind us how terrible they are
@p-ewey well since your lot don’t seem to get the concept not to get outta our tag and claim “WEH BUT CALLING OUT PROBLEMATIC SHIPS MAKES IT RELEVANT” then you should be totally fine with people doing the same. after all, I’m simply doing what y’all claim to do: calling out actual shitty behavior.
@yourshipsaregross lmao considering none of my characters are pedophiles, hard to say I draw pedophilic art. well, I guess since after that ask on @anti-anti-wincest and the creation of Pedo-tan you could say one character is actually literally pedophilia incarnate…
oh and source on harassment? because I ain’t harassed no one and can, amazingly unlike you, prove my claims (pro tip: telling you you’re wrong and showing you facts =/= harassment) but I got a whoooooole mess of sources showing people – including “”””poor little defenseless minors who apparently can’t be held accountable for being shitheads” – harassing me. don’t go making statements you can’ back up, babes.
seriously i have a cactus u can borrow if u wanna shove it up ur ass
that’s rich coming from the person reblogging and responding on my posts
And you might wanna let your buddy @yourshipsaregross or whatever their name is know the same. Seriously, youkeep responding to mypost. If you keep it up, I’m gonna start responding with porn because I can’t work on my major files at the moment and I’ve been meaning to practice my tits and dicks so… Consider any reply the equivalent of you clicking the “yes I am 18+ and agree to see pornography” button
It’s ironic seeing as how they posted this crappy post in the anti tag. They’re the ones who started this.
Also, what logic is this? If you reply, you’re consenting to art? What?