Yeah, I’m aware of the drama with the kin blog. I was going to address this sooner, but K. M. Claude thinks the owner is doing it out of spite or for attention. I was concerned that if I got involved, it would only reinforce these beliefs and Claude would continue to bully the person who ran it.
Since things have calmed down, I’ll list the reasons why Claude’s response was ableist.
According to K. M. Claude:
Fictionkin are ‘appropriating the language of mental health’, even though many kin are mentally ill and use it as a coping mechanism.
Also, making fun of somebody for the way they cope is ableist.
Content warnings for explicit depictions of pedophilia, sexual depictions of children, child abuse, rape, sexual abuse, blood, gore, necrophilia, incest; harassment, bullying, self-harm, victim-shaming/survivor-shaming, transphobia, transmisogyny, dyadism¹ᵃ/perisexism¹ᵇ, and misgendering.
According to the DSM-5, pedophiles only qualify as mentally ill if they feel genuine remorse for their attraction to children. Since most pedophiles don’t feel bad about these desires, they aren’t considered mentally ill simply for being pedophiles.
why do people still need to point this out to others?
No one has to point out that abuse isn’t good. I’m pretty sure we’re all aware of that.
However, pedophilia may be morally bad, but it’s a mental illness. Saying that pedophilic disorder is gross is the same as saying bipolar disorder is gross. It’s not gross, it’s misunderstood and stigmatized.
how can you shamelessly compare pedophilia to bipolar disorder? pedophiles abuse children and traumatize them? what the fuck, its not misunderstood the slightest.
You do know that there are non-offending pedophiles, don’t you? Child molesters are what you’re referring to.
And yes, I do shamelessly compare the two. Both are mental disorders, whether you like that fact or not. That in itself is something most people don’t know, making pedophilia stigmatized and misunderstood to the point of people with the disorder not being able to reach out for help without risking having their children taken from them.
theres no such thing as “non-offending” pedophiles. pedophilia is not a mental disorder and never will be, it cannot be diagnosed. pedophiles wants to hurt children in their own twisted way, bipolar people are just bipolar people. so stop lying to yourself.
Actually, if you refer to the DSM-V, pedophilic disorder is, in fact, a real thing. And, yes, there are non-offending pedophiles, whether you believe it or not. Just like there are non-offending people with compulsive violent urges. It’s not a hard concept to grasp.
for @remiflan-is-dead (the reply to whose question i’ll get to in a bit). if you want to learn more about pedophilia/pedophilic disorder and how to treat it, i had a really lovely conversation with the now de-funct anti-stevidot about the subject straight from the DSM-V, ICD-10, and my own college level texts on abnormal psychology from 2011 (so sadly it was working with the DSM-IV but treatments are still just about the same and pedophilia’s been listed as a mental disorder/illness for years, at least since the DSM-IV if not earlier.)
tl;dr it’s a mental illness like any other mental illness. child molestation/abuse/rape on the other hand is a different matter entirely (and often NOT perpetrated by people with pedophilic disorder.)
why do you think its okay for an adult to be sexually/romantically attracted to children, and then pull the victim card by claiming its a disorder? why do you want to protect adults who get turned on by children and have creepy crushes on minors? why arent you defending the kids, the babies and the t(w)eens who are being targeted by pedos? if an adult have sexual business with a child they ARE a pedophile, yikes.
I’m not claiming it’s a disorder – it literally is. Sexual attraction to prepubescents is literally a mental disorder. That’s not pulling a victim card, that’s stating a fact. You can literally look it up. Or you know the image I sent you and the link I gave you which has everything written up and linked up for you.
People need to stop conflating pedophiles with child molesters as if they are automatically the same thing so that people who have not touched a child can get the clinical help they need to cope with and control their issues. Getting people help and not stigmatizing their mental illness is what defends and helps reduce the number of kids targeted or hurt.
It’s the same as someone who has violent urges (think, for instance, people with OCD who have intrusive obsessive thoughts to murder their family) – you wouldn’t conflate their distressing desires or thoughts to hurt others with actual murderers, would you? No because they have a MENTAL ILLNESS which is not a crime. Acting on said illness is a crime. You want to help the mentally ill, thereby protecting the ill person AND anyone who may be hurt by said ill person, by not stigmatizing them and getting them help. Sadly, in the U.S., it’s nigh impossible for people with pedophilic disorder to seek help because if therapists even think a child may possibly be in danger, they have to report them (even if NO ONE is in danger) or else the therapist could go to jail (this is called mandated reporting laws and there’s a lot of issues with them.)
If an adult does something sexual with a child, that makes them a child molester, child rapist, or child abuser. Actions do not necessarily dictate one’s mental disorders. I could stab my dog right now just because I can without a single violent thought or history of mental illness that lends itself to violent behavior; likewise someone who hears voices telling them to stab their dog may never act upon it despite having the intrusive thoughts. Same with child abusers and people with pedophilic disorder.
If you’d like I can literally open up a clinical abnormal psychology textbook, used to teach psychology undergraduates about psychological disorders and illnesses, and quote you the information on pedophilia and how it is a mental disorder and has been considered as such for YEARS by actual professionals who study this shit literally know more than you or I do.
you literally just said literally 3 times in the same paragraph
pedophiles are Literally illegal and can end up in jail bye, im sick of both of you condoning and forgiving the adults who have touched me and used me
protect minors instead of their enemies (ahem, pedos and abusers)
Because it is literallytrue. In a literal manner or sense, it is true. It is exactly true. But I mean you’ve taken to insulting my words when they’re used correctly(something you seem incapable of doing yourself) so I take it you’ve not any proof to stand on.
Nope, sorry. It’s not illegal to have a mental illness. Otherwise I’d be in jail for my mental illnesses. My friends who are bipolar would also be in jail. My depressed friends, jail. The friends with BPD? Jail. But they’re not. Because mental illnesses are not illegal. Stop stigmatizing mental illnesses because they don’t all fit into whatever too cute ideal you have of mental illness. Shit, to say mental illness is illegal is, as they say, rather ableist, especially with the implication that one with a mental illness will act upon that illness and automatically hurt others.
No one’s forgiving or condoning adults touching or raping kids. Those people are criminals who could be convicted of the illegal action that is called child abuse. Pedophilia or pedophilic disorder (as the DSM-V now refers to it) is not a crime. You cannot be put to jail for disorderly thoughts, especially not those brought on by mental illness.
I’m sick of you stigmatizing mental illness and being willfully ignorant, and I’m sick in general of people like you actually playing the victim card by shoving your personal trauma in as if that somehow negates the fact that what you’re saying is wrong and harmful to the mentally ill and to CSA survivors.
Pedophilia is not a mental illness. From the DSM-5:
“Most people with atypical sexual interests do not have a mental disorder. To be diagnosed with a paraphilic disorder, DSM-5 requires that people with these interests:
Feel personal distress about their interest, not merely distress resulting from society’s disapproval.
Have a sexual desire or behavior that involves another person’s psychological distress, injury, or death, or a desire for sexual behaviors involving unwilling persons or persons unable to give legal consent.”
This is a picture of the hanging and burning of Girolamo Savonarola in Florence.
He tried to tell the people how to make art, what kind of art to make, generally policing their art. The people fucking killed him. In history they’re super proud of this and even have a commemoration of this, as a way to say “LISTEN UP MOTHERFUCKERS: THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TELL US HOW TO MAKE ART”
Take note, antis
You do realize that the hanging and burning of Girolamo Savonarola wasn’t because he was policing art but because he was condemned as a heretic after claiming to perform miracles and getting visions from a higher power?
He was a supporter of sacred art, since, y’know, he was a friar.
“‘It was not Art itself which he condemned, but its desecration, the introduction of earthly and even immodest sentiments and dress into sacred pictures. On the contrary, pious and genuinely religious art would have been an efficacious support in building up that ideal State which he dreamt of, and for a while even made a reality.’ Again and again Savonarola explains what he finds fault with in contemporary Art, and what he desires to put in place of it. For him edification is the main object of Art; he will tolerate none which does not tend to the service of religion.“ –Ludwig von Pastor, History of the Popes
He was trying to make the church look good. Not exactly a good way of doing it, but not a reason to hang someone (AND NOT THE REASON THEY HANGED HIM).
This guy was an asshole, and it’s not because he only wanted sacred art.
He didn’t accept bribes from the Pope at the time, so he was excommunicated and arrested, then put through a trial by fire.
Just because you paint a picture of it, doesn’t mean it’s celebrated. There’s plenty of paintings depicting horrible things. They aren’t celebrating his death (In fact, there’s been talk of beatifying Girolamo), they’re just depicting it.
So please, feel free to do a little more in your vague insult to antis other than “well, this guy hated art, and he was executed, therefore I can make a veiled threat against those who don’t like looking at child porn!”
You can defend yourself, that much Is clear…but I just had my own two cents to throw in because I’m having fun watching them “try” to call you out. @kmclaude
While I appreciate the intent and am glad you’re respectful, I’d much rather people NOT do this. Frankly it ain’t worth it. And I’d rather folks not waste their time for whatever personal reasons they may have. I know it can be frustrating seeing someone whose work you like get attacked but you know the old saying: don’t feed the trolls. It’s like fussing at Westboro Baptist Church – you’re gonna get madder and madder and they’re gonna feel justified in the hate they spew.
Do something creative instead! You’re doing some interesting and lovely art with your makeup, I think that’s a much better use of your time and adds beauty to the world!
Wow, you must have a pretty thin skin if you think people telling you not to sexualize children and promote disgusting shit like necrophilia are in the same league as the Westboro Baptist Church (Y’know, the people who picket soldiers’ funerals and believe God hates gay people?).
While I have already in the past apologized for my vitriolic reactions and also discussed with a former mod of said antiship blog who even apologized for the blog’s behavior towards me and other artists long after both parties decided to ignore the other and let be, I stand by what I’ve said before and I’ll say it one final time: if you click on a link on a blog (not fanmailed to you, not submitted, not messaged) after being told implicitly and explicitly by the contents of a post on an NSFW/adult blog what the link goes to (so not a screamer innocuously placed, not a goatse themed rickroll) and click it anyway that’s your poor decision making or reading abilities at work. That or you want to be outraged.
Now, considering that was the past and all I do now is make art, yeah, I’m pretty secure in saying that I am doing nothing wrong, to use your present tense.
But now I truly get that post sixpenceee made about why she doesn’t bother apologizing or even reasoning with her haters any more – it’s obvious that folks don’t care, they really do just want their Two Minutes Hate.
Sunny and I talkin’ and my response to her “shake ur fist at them angry priest” was “fuck the children” and I realized that’s basically my general attitude: man, fuck this new wave of bratty children and childish individuals (‘cause remember – being a snot-nosed brat isn’t dependent on age) who think they can play moral guardian and puritanical fandom police and hide behind cries of “weh I’m a minor so I’m not responsible for my actions” (even though yes, actually, you are) and “think of the childreeeeeeen” (even though the youngest age for any site with fandom shit is 13 as in not a child, a teenager who either needs to surf responsibly or get mommy and daddy to monitor their access.)
You want a safe space? Make your own. There are tools out there for you to tailor your browsing experience. But do not think you can impose your space onto the community – especially fandom which has ALWAYS skewed older as in NOT FOR KIDS and those with childlike sensibilities – as a whole.
Earlier I saw a post that called this the Dolores Umbridge Paradox: “the people who’re obsessed with sick, gross, dark humour tend to be the biggest sweethearts in real life. The people who only want to see cute, innocent characters getting up to cute, innocent stuff usually turn out to be the nastiest, most vindictive shitheads.”
Well y’know what, fuck it. Fuck the children. Fuck Umbridge, fuck the alarmingly prevalent puritanical moral guardian mindset, and fuck you if you support this damning “think of the childreeeeeeen” mindset. Your rights end where mine begin.
“keep your hate out of the tags!!!!!!!!!”
tags this post in the anti tags
Hey, it’s that asshole who draws pedophilic art and harasses minors. It’s about to they showed up to remind us how terrible they are
@p-ewey well since your lot don’t seem to get the concept not to get outta our tag and claim “WEH BUT CALLING OUT PROBLEMATIC SHIPS MAKES IT RELEVANT” then you should be totally fine with people doing the same. after all, I’m simply doing what y’all claim to do: calling out actual shitty behavior.
@yourshipsaregross lmao considering none of my characters are pedophiles, hard to say I draw pedophilic art. well, I guess since after that ask on @anti-anti-wincest and the creation of Pedo-tan you could say one character is actually literally pedophilia incarnate…
oh and source on harassment? because I ain’t harassed no one and can, amazingly unlike you, prove my claims (pro tip: telling you you’re wrong and showing you facts =/= harassment) but I got a whoooooole mess of sources showing people – including “”””poor little defenseless minors who apparently can’t be held accountable for being shitheads” – harassing me. don’t go making statements you can’ back up, babes.
seriously i have a cactus u can borrow if u wanna shove it up ur ass
that’s rich coming from the person reblogging and responding on my posts
And you might wanna let your buddy @yourshipsaregross or whatever their name is know the same. Seriously, youkeep responding to mypost. If you keep it up, I’m gonna start responding with porn because I can’t work on my major files at the moment and I’ve been meaning to practice my tits and dicks so… Consider any reply the equivalent of you clicking the “yes I am 18+ and agree to see pornography” button
It’s ironic seeing as how they posted this crappy post in the anti tag. They’re the ones who started this.
Also, what logic is this? If you reply, you’re consenting to art? What?
Firstly, @sadademort, yes, you did not suicide bait, but rather, you self harm baited. The image you had, that stated ‘don’t cut yourself on that edge, or do, who cares.’ Is implying that no one would care if they cut themselves. That also triggered me. At that moment, I knew it was bad.
I had to step away from the computer and decided that I wasn’t going to say anything about you until I was able to pull myself together, and make a post. I went through my activity, and looked at people reblogging my ‘help wanted’ post. It did the thing with the mobile looking sidebar, and right under neither was the call out post, upon seeing the warnings, I knew that, that image would have been in it, so I didn’t read it so I wouldn’t be triggered again. I saw that the person mentioned the ‘threatening porn at minors’ which was one of the links I was sent. So I added it.
A lot of people are coming to me saying that the other person was trying to censor your art. I don’t give a flying leap of what they were saying, just like anyone else I put on this blog. I don’t care what the argument is or was. The whole argument is white noise to me, until someone tells the other to kill themselves, or in this case, to cut themselves.
You have to acknowledge that you did something wrong.
And when you put “” around the ordeal, in your response, it felt like you were saying that I can’t say it was an ordeal (because I don’t know what else to fucking call what’s happening), so that’s why I said that ‘I guess I can’t call it that’ because you were making it where I couldn’t.
I changed what I said from this:
I even changed the tags:
@the-shipper-armada, Saying that the reason why I wasn’t online at all was because I had a panic/anxiety attack and saying that, that was the reason why I knew that I shouldn’t respond to shit about this because I had not called down, which is, huh, exactly what I said was okay. So not hypocritical at all:
But I have not been able to calm down until now, but I apologized the best I could at the time. I even said I was still not in the right mind at that moment. And what you said about me using caps. I wasn’t yelling, I was using caps for emphasis. You would know when I’m yelling it. It’s when I use bold, italics, heading font, and caps. That’s when I’m yelling, or just generally being angry.
So, no, I was not being hypocritical, and I had not calmed down enough to respond appropriately. Because you would not let me. If I had left the computer right then and there, I would come back to more shit, thus not helping at all.
I did investigate, and I was triggered by what they had. And don’t give that shit argument about ‘well block tags’ or ‘safe feature’. They had it on a reblog so there is no way that kit would blacklist it, and the person they were talking to would look at their reblog, and get triggered.
I don’t care about what either argument has to say. If they baited anyone with suicide or self harm, I put them on this blog. And that’s what they did.
And being mentally, verbally, and emotionally abused by my parents had nothing to do with any of what happened here, which is apparently what you think I did.
I did in fact take a step back, but then you guys got all mad at me for not answering to anything. The reason why I didn’t answer or say anything was because I knew I was not in the right mind to speak without making things worse. No matter if it was to acknowledge I got a message or not. Because I would have said something that I would either regret, or make the situation worse all around. Simply saying ‘I got your message’ would not work while in that state of mind. I would have said more, and added shit that wouldn’t make sense, or just be ramble-y, making everything worse. Which would not help me calm down so I can actually answer the shit I have in my inbox. (PS: @the-shipper-armada, this is what I meant btw)
‘Listen to both sides’ I only listen for baiting. I don’t care if one says that fiction affects reality and the other one says otherwise. I don’t care if one said that they can’t ship this and the other said they can. So unless the other person had suicide baited, which I saw none of on that post from the other person at all, then I won’t mention them. Sadademort was the only one, in that particular post, that had did something wrong. Which was self harm bait.
@ everyone saying that I had ‘conveniently been inactive during the whole thing’:
I have been inactive for a whole week prior. Because my grades on online school were F’s because the damn teachers refused to help me, so I had been stressing all week.
When I was finally able to calm down from the stress of that, by being moved back into regular schooling, I reblogged the post and added one link.
Then I went into a panic attack that had started because I was going through dysphoria, then my parents mocked me during the whole thing, and when I asked them to stop, they said ‘oh grow a back bone.’
So I was not on at all during that time.
On November 11, 2015, I said I had been going back into my depression, panic/anxiety attacks, and school, which I would not be able to keep the blog up and running properly, which is hmmmm, what @anti-anti-wincest said I should do. Imagine that.
@sadademort again, you said that I have aligned myself with the antis. When actually (oh wow I’m going to reveal this even though I said I won’t) I’m on the side of the shippers. I follow you and @anti-anti-wincest. I looked up to you, used you as references on my personal. Fought antis with your info and knowledge.
But I do not use that as a way to dismiss the antis. An anti was concerned for what you did, which they had every right to be. I looked into it, got triggered, then added you. Because what you did, can and has, harmed people.
So me saying that the reason that I wasn’t online at all was being I went through a panic attack is not me being hypocritical. Specially since I had made sure I wasn’t online to say anything I might regret during my state and that I tried to make sure I had calmed down first. Which I was I said was okay. But that’s hypocritical, somehow. By saying that I have things that I do outside of this blog is not hypocritical, it means I am trying to survive my life first and foremost, before worrying about this blog.
Sadademort self harm baited, not suicide baited, the info was wrong and I apologize for that.
I have been barely active at all this month, so I am not ‘conveniently’ ignoring this. Plus I have a ton of other submissions, shippers and antis alike that I had been going through their blogs too.
People told me that the person that Sadademort was talking to was trying to censor their art, and that I should protect Sadademort from that. Like I have said before, that is not how I work. If it was an anti that was being told to censor their art, but still made that self harm baiting picture, I would have called out that anti. I do not care what the argument is about. I only care if they are baiting someone.
I decided to tell you guys which side I am on. Which was the shippers side. I looked up to AAW, and used to Sadademort. Now, after what has happened, I do not.
I was triggered by Sadademort’s post because it implied that no one would care if the person/me cut themselves.
Having that image on a reblog would not help anyone who can be triggered by it. Because xkit doesn’t work like that. It only works on the original post and on your dash or in the search feature.
Sadademort has to come to terms that that image is triggering, and is self harm baiting.
I probably left out a lot of what I want to say, or to people who responded to my posts, but I’m done.
Incident where K. M. Claude and one of the mods from the Tumblr blog Anti-Anti Wincest ran someone off their blog. The owner had reblogged a callout post warning people to avoid Claude after they self-harm baited a minor and threatened to send them porn.