Content warnings for explicit depictions of pedophilia, sexual depictions of children, child abuse, rape, sexual abuse, blood, gore, necrophilia, incest; harassment, bullying, self-harm, victim-shaming/survivor-shaming, transphobia, transmisogyny, dyadism¹ᵃ/perisexism¹ᵇ, and misgendering.
According to the DSM-5, pedophiles only qualify as mentally ill if they feel genuine remorse for their attraction to children. Since most pedophiles don’t feel bad about these desires, they aren’t considered mentally ill simply for being pedophiles.
why do people still need to point this out to others?
No one has to point out that abuse isn’t good. I’m pretty sure we’re all aware of that.
However, pedophilia may be morally bad, but it’s a mental illness. Saying that pedophilic disorder is gross is the same as saying bipolar disorder is gross. It’s not gross, it’s misunderstood and stigmatized.
how can you shamelessly compare pedophilia to bipolar disorder? pedophiles abuse children and traumatize them? what the fuck, its not misunderstood the slightest.
You do know that there are non-offending pedophiles, don’t you? Child molesters are what you’re referring to.
And yes, I do shamelessly compare the two. Both are mental disorders, whether you like that fact or not. That in itself is something most people don’t know, making pedophilia stigmatized and misunderstood to the point of people with the disorder not being able to reach out for help without risking having their children taken from them.
theres no such thing as “non-offending” pedophiles. pedophilia is not a mental disorder and never will be, it cannot be diagnosed. pedophiles wants to hurt children in their own twisted way, bipolar people are just bipolar people. so stop lying to yourself.
Actually, if you refer to the DSM-V, pedophilic disorder is, in fact, a real thing. And, yes, there are non-offending pedophiles, whether you believe it or not. Just like there are non-offending people with compulsive violent urges. It’s not a hard concept to grasp.
for @remiflan-is-dead (the reply to whose question i’ll get to in a bit). if you want to learn more about pedophilia/pedophilic disorder and how to treat it, i had a really lovely conversation with the now de-funct anti-stevidot about the subject straight from the DSM-V, ICD-10, and my own college level texts on abnormal psychology from 2011 (so sadly it was working with the DSM-IV but treatments are still just about the same and pedophilia’s been listed as a mental disorder/illness for years, at least since the DSM-IV if not earlier.)
tl;dr it’s a mental illness like any other mental illness. child molestation/abuse/rape on the other hand is a different matter entirely (and often NOT perpetrated by people with pedophilic disorder.)
why do you think its okay for an adult to be sexually/romantically attracted to children, and then pull the victim card by claiming its a disorder? why do you want to protect adults who get turned on by children and have creepy crushes on minors? why arent you defending the kids, the babies and the t(w)eens who are being targeted by pedos? if an adult have sexual business with a child they ARE a pedophile, yikes.
I’m not claiming it’s a disorder – it literally is. Sexual attraction to prepubescents is literally a mental disorder. That’s not pulling a victim card, that’s stating a fact. You can literally look it up. Or you know the image I sent you and the link I gave you which has everything written up and linked up for you.
People need to stop conflating pedophiles with child molesters as if they are automatically the same thing so that people who have not touched a child can get the clinical help they need to cope with and control their issues. Getting people help and not stigmatizing their mental illness is what defends and helps reduce the number of kids targeted or hurt.
It’s the same as someone who has violent urges (think, for instance, people with OCD who have intrusive obsessive thoughts to murder their family) – you wouldn’t conflate their distressing desires or thoughts to hurt others with actual murderers, would you? No because they have a MENTAL ILLNESS which is not a crime. Acting on said illness is a crime. You want to help the mentally ill, thereby protecting the ill person AND anyone who may be hurt by said ill person, by not stigmatizing them and getting them help. Sadly, in the U.S., it’s nigh impossible for people with pedophilic disorder to seek help because if therapists even think a child may possibly be in danger, they have to report them (even if NO ONE is in danger) or else the therapist could go to jail (this is called mandated reporting laws and there’s a lot of issues with them.)
If an adult does something sexual with a child, that makes them a child molester, child rapist, or child abuser. Actions do not necessarily dictate one’s mental disorders. I could stab my dog right now just because I can without a single violent thought or history of mental illness that lends itself to violent behavior; likewise someone who hears voices telling them to stab their dog may never act upon it despite having the intrusive thoughts. Same with child abusers and people with pedophilic disorder.
If you’d like I can literally open up a clinical abnormal psychology textbook, used to teach psychology undergraduates about psychological disorders and illnesses, and quote you the information on pedophilia and how it is a mental disorder and has been considered as such for YEARS by actual professionals who study this shit literally know more than you or I do.
you literally just said literally 3 times in the same paragraph
pedophiles are Literally illegal and can end up in jail bye, im sick of both of you condoning and forgiving the adults who have touched me and used me
protect minors instead of their enemies (ahem, pedos and abusers)
Because it is literallytrue. In a literal manner or sense, it is true. It is exactly true. But I mean you’ve taken to insulting my words when they’re used correctly(something you seem incapable of doing yourself) so I take it you’ve not any proof to stand on.
Nope, sorry. It’s not illegal to have a mental illness. Otherwise I’d be in jail for my mental illnesses. My friends who are bipolar would also be in jail. My depressed friends, jail. The friends with BPD? Jail. But they’re not. Because mental illnesses are not illegal. Stop stigmatizing mental illnesses because they don’t all fit into whatever too cute ideal you have of mental illness. Shit, to say mental illness is illegal is, as they say, rather ableist, especially with the implication that one with a mental illness will act upon that illness and automatically hurt others.
No one’s forgiving or condoning adults touching or raping kids. Those people are criminals who could be convicted of the illegal action that is called child abuse. Pedophilia or pedophilic disorder (as the DSM-V now refers to it) is not a crime. You cannot be put to jail for disorderly thoughts, especially not those brought on by mental illness.
I’m sick of you stigmatizing mental illness and being willfully ignorant, and I’m sick in general of people like you actually playing the victim card by shoving your personal trauma in as if that somehow negates the fact that what you’re saying is wrong and harmful to the mentally ill and to CSA survivors.
Pedophilia is not a mental illness. From the DSM-5:
“Most people with atypical sexual interests do not have a mental disorder. To be diagnosed with a paraphilic disorder, DSM-5 requires that people with these interests:
Feel personal distress about their interest, not merely distress resulting from society’s disapproval.
Have a sexual desire or behavior that involves another person’s psychological distress, injury, or death, or a desire for sexual behaviors involving unwilling persons or persons unable to give legal consent.”
@vikingcarrot well also remember these are the same sort of people who seem to forget like half the world has an age of consent of 16 or that teens do engage in sexual behavior or that at the end of the day fiction is just that: fiction. Also they seem to never apply their rules to violence. What about a killer kink? I love nasty villainous killers from fiction like Hannibal Lecter or Kazutaka Muraki or Lord Voldemort and yet nobody calls me a serial killer for being able to both enjoy the intellectual fun of figuring out why they tick and how and gain deeper insight into their individual madness and enjoy fiction (often of the fan variety) about these wicked people doing wicked things.
An adult who’s attracted to 15- and 16-year-olds is still a pedophile.
…Jail Wait. Jail Wait. I’m…you know, I can’t say I’m shocked that the discourse has come to this. Like…I’d think, if you cared about respecting boundaries and protecting potentially vulnerable groups, you would APPLAUD any young person of the age of majority who had a prospective romantic partner under the age of majority (but obviously having hit puberty and so you know…like…a sexually mature body) and decided to wait. Like. That saves everyone potential legal trouble and is rather respectful of boundaries. Like would they rather…people…not? Wait? For everything to be 100% legally kosher? And how would they parse different age of consent laws? Just….wow…..what the fuck.
Glad I have never been interested in sexual or romantic relationships, that stuff is too complicated. Oy vey…
Except that’s not what ‘Jail Bait Wait’ means. It refers to predatory adults waiting for children to come of legal age (i.e. a 30-year-old waiting for a 12-year-old to turn 18 so they can legally have sex with them).
Normally, I would give you the benefit of the doubt, but considering you’ve confessed to fantasizing about adults molesting children and teens (and labeled yourself an ‘underage kink-haver’), it looks like you’re deliberately using the wrong definition.
Also, the age of consent isn’t universally 18. Depending on where someone lives, the age of consent could be as low as 13 years old. According to your logic, it would be okay for a pedophile to sleep with a 13-year-old because they’re of legal age.